Can Evolution be Proven by Experiment?

crazycatfguy Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - You created a straw man argument. I am not surprised. If you believe in something that can not be proved please look at any dictionary definition and tell me how it does not meet the definition of faith. Create the most elaborate rationalization you can to justify your belief in something that can not be proven and that is just what it will be. An elaborate rationalization of something you can't prove

EvoLIEtion Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - More desperate dodging. You still haven't answered the question. Though we both know what your answer is. You're not going to characterize your acceptance of heliocentrism as faith because... *gasp*.... it's supported by evidence!

EvoLIEtion Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - And you clearly do not know what a strawman fallacy is. A strawman fallacy is when someone mischaracterizes another person's argument in order to more easily refute it. I didn't mischaracterize your argument, whatever it was. I simply pressed you define your acceptance of something (heliocentrism), which is as much accepted as evolutionary theory, as faith. You're not willing to do that, because you understand that it would be absurd to do so.

EvoLIEtion Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - I'll give you one more chance. Evolutionary theory is... a theory. Heliocentrism is... a theory. Assuming you accept heliocentrism, would you characterize the fact that you accept that the Earth orbits the Sun as faith?

crazycatfguy Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - "I am suggesting that if you believe in something that cannot be proven that meets the definition of faith. Your confidence has no more weight than someone who just says "I believe". Who is dodging what here?

EvoLIEtion Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - "Who is dodging what here?" You are. Goodbye.

crazycatfguy Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - Don't start anything you are not intellectually capable of finishing

EvoLIEtion Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - Oh, that's rich.

crazycatfguy Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - Nice way to change the freaking subject when you have not responded to my comments.

ChuckMeIntoHell Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - "...you have not responded to my comments." EvoLIEtion asked YOU a perfectly legitimate question. You dodged it, and now you're upset that EvoLIEtion hasn't responded to coments you made after the question that you dodged? The fact is that the evidence for heliocentrism and the evidence for evolution, are comparable. We've never been outside of the solar system to view the earth going around the sun. We only have indirect evidence, same as evolution. How is one faith and the other science?

Kuba022 Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - You say that we can never observe the processes of evolution. Well, look up the work of Richard Lenski. The gut has spent something like 20 years maintaining cultures of E. coli to observe how they evolve. One of his populations evolved the ability to metabolize citrate (regular E. coli cannot do that). So it's not difficult to make an experiment proving evolution. It's just time consuming.

DarwinsHamster Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - You are absolutely correct, and I really meant to account for that in my video, but I was too busy with the thought that was the main point of the video--that prediction and explanation are the same, and that we can predict the kinds of things we will see or not see when additional fossils are found. In my head, I had previously thought to express this idea. Thanks for the correction.

crazycatfguy Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - "If I did it would carry the same weight as your beliefs. Write a 10047 thousand page excuse for what you believe and if it cannot be proven then it is 10047 thousand page excuse for what you belive." They are both theories so obviously to believe in them without proof meets the definition of faith.

crazycatfguy Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - P.S. Do all atheist suffer from hypersensitive narcissism? Their self esteem seems to be so tied up in how smart they think they are because they can quote science that they come unglued when challenged.

ChuckMeIntoHell Says:

Aug 22, 2008 - "They are both theories so obviously to believe in them without proof meets the definition of faith." So, you're admiting that you think it takes faith to believe that the sun is the center of the solar system. That's all I wanted to hear.

crazycatfguy Says:

Aug 22, 2008 - You seem to think you pwned me when you only seemed to get my point.

crazycatfguy Says:

Aug 22, 2008 - One simple question if you don't mind. The greatest minds in history have not been able to solve the god no god problem so just what did your happy ass think you were going to accomplish? Did you think that you and you alone had the wisdom to repackage the same old arguments in such a way that it would be a bullet proof argument?

ChuckMeIntoHell Says:

Aug 23, 2008 - "You seem to think you pwned me when you only seemed to get my point." I never pwn anyone. If your point was to prove that Heliocentrism has just as much validity as Evolution, than every non-creationist agrees with you. But, that's not what you're saying. You're saying that it takes faith to believe in them, JUST AS it takes faith that a creator magicaly put everything into place about 6,000 years ago. Evolution and Heliocentrism have something that creationism doesn't, evidence.

ChuckMeIntoHell Says:

Aug 23, 2008 - Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think this conversation had anything to do with weather or not a god exists. If you choose to believe in a god, I've got no problem with that. I'm only trying to point out the validity of Evolution.

crazycatfguy Says:

Aug 23, 2008 - Until there is enough evidence to prove it then in remains a theory which means it requires faith to believe in.

crazycatfguy Says:

Aug 23, 2008 - I am not particularly a disbeliever in evolution but proving evolution does not prove that it is not a form of intelligent design.

ChuckMeIntoHell Says:

Aug 24, 2008 - Than I'd say that you and I are in agreement.

gutbuster96 Says:

Sep 23, 2008 - look whos talking

crazycatfguy Says:

Sep 23, 2008 - How bored or is it bitter do you have to be to waste my time making a comment on a month old argument?

gutbuster96 Says:

Sep 23, 2008 - again, look whos talking