re: The Trouble with Islam

ConcernedInquirer Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - "You were busily engaged in your own religous afairs until us Muslims came along, why the hostility?" Doesnt wash If you cannot see what kind of problems your presence HAS created than you are blind to current events. Islamic doctrine is a mandate of war, there is no intergration in your books which call for Jews,Christains,Pagans,Idoloators,Athiests to be murdered. Muslims who claim to be moderate are either ill educated or plainly lying.

ConcernedInquirer Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - You may say, how many Muslims have you met that tried to kill you? The answer is every single one of them. Your Religous choice affirms the intention, wether you choose to act on it or not.

ConcernedInquirer Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - Tell me that a guy reading Mien Kampf from a paulpit to a crowd of white robed men isnt promoting Nazism and ill laugh at you. Tell me that an Immam reading Qur'an in a Mosque in Britain isnt promoting Jihad and ill laugh at you. Muslims are not made in Britain. Get out now!

whypatcondellisntfun Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - And I thought we were making progress! You say that Islam has a mandate for war? Yes, when an Islamic state is attacked, it then has a mandate for war in self-defense. You say there is no 'integration' in your 'books'. I would remind you that the Qur'an is a single book, and your statement proves you have not read it. Verses 109:1 to 109:6 allow for integration, ending with "Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion."(109:6)

whypatcondellisntfun Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - This is a great one! Of course an Immam promotes Jihad!!!! He promotes 'the greater jihad'. The term 'jihad' has 2 meanings. One is 'lesser' the other is 'greater'. The greater jihad is the struggle to better oneself, to resist evil. The 'lesser' jihad is a physical battle. The term 'jihad' is never used in the Qur'an and in many cases 'jihad' does not mean physical violence. I'm conducting jihad in typing this reply to you. I do not wish you physical harm though.

whypatcondellisntfun Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - "there is no intergration in your books which call for Jews,Christains,Pagans,Idoloators,Athiests to be murdered. Muslims who claim to be moderate are either ill educated or plainly lying." Your comments clearly show you have little understanding of the Qur'an. So which are you, ill-educated, or plainly lying?

ConcernedInquirer Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - Quran cannot be decyphered alone. With Tabari,Muslim,Burkhari,Ishaq the Quran can reveal its intended message. Tracing Muhammads actions and the Qurans insane rambling in chronological order it takes on a message entirely different to your LIE.Islam is not divinely inspired rather its contrived by a vile murderous crettin like Adolf Hitler. Down to brass tacts. The period in which Muhammad terrorised Medina. Can you tell me the recorded Hadith quotation is about about peace to unbelievers?

ConcernedInquirer Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - Further can you explain to me the way abrogated Quranic verses reveal an unrepentant and reckless hatred of Christians and Jews. And not content there it goes on to inform beleivers (idiots) of a duty to wage Jihad where ever Jews and Christians are found?

whypatcondellisntfun Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - To which Hadith quotation are you referring?

whypatcondellisntfun Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - I'm personally not sold on the whole 'abrogated' verses theory, I'm open minded about it, but I've yet to be convinced. Regardless of that, you don't say which verses you are quoting from the Qur'an, nor which verse you think that it is abrogating. If you truly believe you need Tabari,Muslim,Burkhari,Ishaq to understand the Qur'an they should also support your view so why don't you show all of your evidence together instead of pseudo-quoting?

ConcernedInquirer Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam.(what shmucks) The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine (my ass).They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy as one can be after drinking camel piss) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away.

ConcernedInquirer Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam.(what shmucks) The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine (my ass).They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy as one can be after drinking camel piss) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away.

ConcernedInquirer Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophets ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die. Hadith Bukhari

ConcernedInquirer Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophets ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die. Hadith Bukhari From this lesson we learn, only the slaugter of Jews is permissable, Dont steal from the head Pirate cos hell brand you in the eyes with Hot Iron!

ConcernedInquirer Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - Imagine if you will how Muhammed treated those Jews at Qurayza, you know the ones? Those guys who Muhammed thieved from,those guys who Muhammed raped and those guys he Muhammed murdered. TabariVIII35/Ishaq:464

whypatcondellisntfun Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - So. You use an example where some people murder a man and steal some goods and were then caught and given what I can only assume was considered the appropriate punishment *at that time* to prove that Muslims hate Jews and Christians and non-believers? And you expect me to believe that this is the correct interpretation of this Hadith and that as a Muslim I should be gouging out eyes and chopping off hands? I'm afraid you have lost all credence in my eyes now.

whypatcondellisntfun Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - The legally binding 'Medina Charter' is a historical document which states that the Jews had the same rights as Muslims... "The Jews of al-Aws, including their freedmen, have the same standing, as other parties to the Pact, as long as they are loyal to the Pact. Loyalty is a protection against treachery." So, there was a pact, some people went against it, and, in effect, reaped what they sowed. I'm *not* saying that it is now acceptable to massacre people, but look at the historical context.

ConcernedInquirer Says:

Apr 14, 2008 - You are full of shit. Muhammed was just the Nazi's he murdered Jews, took thier wealth to pay for his army of brigands and rapists (MUSLIMS) took women and raped them minutes after making them watch thier father and brothers murdered. Muslim dog if only the british people knew about your religion, you would be swinging from the lampost

whypatcondellisntfun Says:

Apr 15, 2008 - How you can say I'm 'full of shit' is beyond comprehension when the Medina Charter is a historical document that proves Jews had equal standing with Muslims. I posted some reasoned arguments against your propositions. You have no counter for them, so you are reduced to name calling. Your supposition that one should tackle perceived barbarism with equal barbarism tells me a lot about your true nature. Rather than a 'concerned inquirer', you yourself are apparently a barbaric person.

whypatcondellisntfun Says:

Apr 15, 2008 - Please don't bother replying now. This conversation is obviously going nowhere.

MumbhaiMBBS Says:

Apr 23, 2008 - Brilliant. 5 Stars and Faved.

whyiswhat Says:

May 5, 2008 - WHY can't Islam coexists with other cultures? IS your goal to help Islam dominate through intimidation? WHAT is the reason for the persistence of polytheism?

MujahidTurtle Says:

May 8, 2008 - islam is a religion and not culture the muslims may join any culture they want but DONT let us do stuff we are not alowed becouse we wil rather stick to god then people's culture

Elvisdogg Says:

Jun 19, 2008 - OMG religion is so awful. i hope someday mankind can move past it.

Deadkiller142 Says:

Jun 25, 2008 - GREAT movie, 5 stars