The Doctrine of Original Sin

OhnePommesFrites Says:

Mar 27, 2008 - the lesson is good but the reader needs to be beat with a hose for that bad accent. :)

ReaderJanet Says:

Jun 2, 2008 - This video is annoying, it is just too creepy. The Original Sin theory is an attempt to explain the Doctrine of the Fall of Adam. Those who believe that this theory is doctrinal and who accept it as the foundation for grace....use it as an excuse to shift blame for their choices upon Christ and the Atonement. We are accountable for our actions, using Christ as the "responsible" scapegoat for our choices is not doctrinal nor is it acceptable to the Lord.

LaneCh Says:

Jun 2, 2008 - How did you gather that the doctrine of original sin somehow doesn't make people responsible for their actions? Do explain, please.

ReaderJanet Says:

Jun 3, 2008 - The belief that some people have.... That they can't help it when they sin...that they are not to blame for their "sinful nature" it is Adam's fault. The idea that a person can do whatever they want....for they can always "repent" (say I'm sorry)of it later and it is wiped away. They are not responsible for their actions....It is Christ's responsibility to deal with the aftermath and then pardon them. They may get whipped a few stripes but they will be saved in the Kingdom of God.

LaneCh Says:

Jun 3, 2008 - Well, with that I agree with you, but I think we should make perfectly clear that there is a difference between using the doctrine as an excuse to sin and a reason to explain why we do sin (where we inherited the nature, and all.) If someone uses it as an excuse to sin, it doesn't matter because they will still be held accountable for their actions. If one just explains why we have a sinful nature with the doctrine, then that is a different issue altogether.

sum1uallno Says:

Aug 16, 2008 - So basically no one can find heaven! I think the message is a little mixed up. First he says we need the 4 then at the end its non nogotiable. Confused.

Steeleperfect Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - The heretical doctrine of original sin says that babies are born evil. It likewise says that man is greater than God, since man's sin can alter God's creation forever. Original sin is therefore both heretical and blasphemous.

LaneCh Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - Original sin says that all men are born in Adam, and guess what! The Bible says it, too: Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned-- for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. (Rom 5:12-14)

LaneCh Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - "It likewise says that man is greater than God, since man's sin can alter God's creation forever." <---- This makes no sense. Explain.

Steeleperfect Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - Death was always part of the plan. Plants and animals die too. Rather unfair if it was caused by human sin. Original sin says that we are born unable not to sin. Now, if that were true (which, thank God, it is not!) we could not be accountable for our sin, since we cannot choose not to sin. In other words, in your theology, God sets us up to sin, then pounces to punish us. Thankfully, the British church takes the Pelagian view that God is good and that man is responsible for his own sin.

LaneCh Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - "Death was always part of the plan. Plants and animals die too. Rather unfair if it was caused by human sin." - You "Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned-- for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law." - Paul

LaneCh Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - "Thankfully, the British church takes the Pelagian view that God is good and that man is responsible for his own sin." Is man good?

Steeleperfect Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - Man has free will, to do good or evil.

Steeleperfect Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - I hate to break it to you, but Paul is not God.

Steeleperfect Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - Your claim is that human sin caused death and that death was not otherwise part of God's plan. You are saying human sin has greater power than God. This is blasphemy.

LaneCh Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - "I hate to break it to you, but Paul is not God." Well, there we go. Repent, heretic.

dudastabel Says:

Aug 27, 2008 - Lane, I follow your argument. And I am convinced it is true and that Steeleperfect is dirtorting God's Word. But I didn't understand why you said "Repent, heretic.". I am asking this because I didn't understood why you did call him heretic. This is an offense, although true. Did you want to offend him? Putting in other words: you called heretic out of love? To be very precise. I don't know if you understood what I am asking. Thank you for your work, it has helped me. God bless!

dudastabel Says:

Aug 27, 2008 - Let me put this another way. Don't you think that when you call him "Heretic", he may become so offended that he will no longer keep the discussion. I know that this may seem a small thing. But I want to understand how to talk to people that are in sin. I have watched videos of Paul Washer and Ranvenhill. And I have listened to real preachers of the past and I am facing the reality that the christianity of my church is so weak. It brakes my heart. I believe to be born-again.

LaneCh Says:

Aug 27, 2008 - That wasn't my intention at all. The point in saying "Repent, heretic." to someone spreading heresy is the same point of Paul saying, "Repent, sinner..." to people who are sinning. It was mainly a statement of fact although the unregenerate will always take offense at that. Regenerate people know that before they were regenerate they were sinners or even heretics and have no problem applying the term to themselves in a former sense. The issue with this guy is it isn't a former sense.

dudastabel Says:

Aug 27, 2008 - Sorry, but I didn't understand the phrase "The issue with this guy is it isn't a former sense". I understand english, but I didn't get the sense of that phrase. Can you rephrase it with other words? I would like to ask to you for two things. Do you have any indication of good Biblical music? Done by people profess Christianity as the Bible? And do you know some indication about discipline of a believer? Thank you. God bless!

LaneCh Says:

Aug 27, 2008 - As believers, we were sinners in the sense of not being saved and sin was all we would do. Some of us were heretics meaning that spread heresy was all that we do. This guy is still spreading heresy. So for him, he's still a heretic in the present sense. For believers, we were in the former sense.

dudastabel Says:

Aug 27, 2008 - I would like to point to one last thing. When I enter in your Channel in YouTube "LaneCh", I can't read it. Because you put a pill of books as the wallpaper and it has almost the same color as the letters. It may happen that you see your own Channel in a different way that I do, and so you don't know that I don't see it well. I have seen many Channels that I can't read because of the wallpaper. So, just a tip.

LaneCh Says:

Aug 27, 2008 - Maybe it's your browser. No one else has mentioned it before. If you use IE, try Firefox.

dudastabel Says:

Aug 27, 2008 - Yes, it is my browser Mozilla. Sorry for repeating the question, but do you have any reference to good Christian music and about devotional discipline of believers? I try to create a discipline of reading the Bible, praying, listening to preaching. Maybe someone has talked about this in a systematic way. Thank you for the answers!

LaneCh Says:

Aug 27, 2008 - I have a friend who might can help you with that. Let me see.