Ben Stein Debunks Darwinism in New Movie

Itsrothytime Says:

Aug 16, 2008 - burden of proof is on the religious moron

yorgrish Says:

Aug 16, 2008 - millions of people knew the earth was flat 1000 years ago. too bad tangible evidence proved otherwise.

Entertainmentwf Says:

Aug 16, 2008 - The education systems are trying to teach facts not unproven stuff. Evolution is more than just a conjecture, documentations made to show and several sciences are built on the ideal of evolution. Teaching something against the very science is a bad technique of teaching. As I say, till somebody can make a rigorous mathematical proof to prove creationism true, it will just be a conjecture and belief nothing more. why does the arian race have to touch this, nothing involving the science?

lonnied123 Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - Is Stein so uneducated that he thinks "Darwinism" purports to explain the formation of astronomical objects,relativity, thermodynamics, or the beginning of life? The theory does not claim to explain ANY of that...

omnivorous65 Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - Staggering. Anti-semitism and the progromes that it repeatedly unleashed were mostly motivated by religious ideas. Most schism within a relgion produced horrific violence against "heretics". I am surprised that this never featured in his movie. And to equal the pseudo-scientific ideas of social darwinism, which just served to flesh out already existing sentiments, with proper science - that shows a degree of ignorance which is amazing.

rorylol Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - I feel kind of sad for this old man, the danes had no part in the holocaust, they even helped ferry jews to sweden so that the nazis couldn't get to them. And the fact that no one have ever seen evolution in the works is because the process takes several thousaind years. People should get their facts straight before they appeared on national television let alone made a movie.

job1201204 Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - No shit.......that is what he said. meaning....that it cant explain it, and in order to explain start of life, you need to explore those subjects.......darwinism does not do that......that is what he was saying.

filipfie Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - If a scientist includes the possibility of an intelligent designer in a hypothesis, he should be fired. That is not science, you cannot test an intelligent designer. Scientists can have these beliefs, but they don't belong in the lab. They are not even testable, lol.

lonnied123 Says:

Aug 17, 2008 - Right... But its akin to saying "General Relativity does not explain how life evolves." Its a totally different subject. Evolution does not claim to know anything about how life began or why the planets revolve around the sun (which general relativity does quite nicely Ben...) He makes it sound like Evolution should have all these answers, but doesnt. The fact is it never will because these questions are outside the realm of Evolution, but not science.

73ohjohnnyboy73 Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - Stein debunks Darwinism? You mean like the way creationism got debunked in Dover?

job1201204 Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - And that is his message, because the debate is evolution vs. creationism......that is the debates that have been argued........if evolution does not try to explain beginning of life, then creationism should not be in the debates...buy they were. also, you cant debate or study evolution much without understanding where the lifeforms came from in order to evolve. but leaving out all possibilities will not get us to knowing where life came from,this is what atheists want, because it deals with God

lonnied123 Says:

Aug 19, 2008 - Naw, Creationism actually did get debunked in dover. Or at least it was exposed for what it is. This is a poor attempt to link natural selection with Hitler. I wish I was kidding. Aside from the teachers "getting fired for teaching things over than evolution" (actually not what happened) the side point in the movie is that believing in evolution necessarily leads to "Social Darwinism" in which you must kill the "weakest" human beings in order to further evolve the race.

wagegoodwarefare Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - white-The evidence for the big bang points to God. In the beginning God spoke & Bang it happened. So I disagree, are you a communist? I can't look for myself & apply the evidence in a consistent fashion? Where you must have transcendent laws. The Laws of Chemisty & physics working by themselves, over how ever long a period of TIME, to produce everything. If that really works for you run with it brother. I disagree You where created for a purpose. Your life is precious 2 God He loves U so much.

wagegoodwarefare Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - hoc-That's true God is knowable when it comes right down 2 it science isn't enough. How am I building a strawman? The big band goes back 2 a point U call a singularity. I can only comment on the Laws of science, I see & experience. Matter & energy can't be created from nothing & yet it exists. The universe is winding down there will be an end. The reality is your in an up hill battle with you own commen sence. The big bang as an origin is a cop out. It worse than any strawman, Origin of Matter?

pilgrimpater Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - Wagegoodwarefare. "white-The evidence for the big bang points to God. In the beginning God spoke & Bang it happened. So I disagree, are you a communist?" Classic creation "logic". You don't believe in god so you must be a commie. Genius sheer genius. Oh by the way if you don't like something coming from nothing then you had better explain where god came from.

wagegoodwarefare Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - pilg-I counter your comment simply by saying Classic evolitionist tactic by obscuring the argument. Communist has nothing to do with whether he believes in a God=Supreme Being. It has to do with, "if I don't think or agree I am in default mentally." But you wouldn't know that becouse your commenting on something you know nothing about. So I won't hold it against you. God is eternal By definition you know a supreme being look it up.

pilgrimpater Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - wage. Please eludidate how i have obscured the agument? You are the one who has tried to link a form of politics with that of religion? The default argument is domain of creationists. The onus of proof is always falls upon to prove the positive. You have none, hence the smokescreen. By the way what do i know nothing about? Religion? Politics? Evolution? Please try not to be so vague.

Hockeygod98 Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - How many times do I have to say it? NO SCIENTISTS ARE SAYING THE UNIVERSE CAME FROM NOTHING! That IS a strawman argument. You are also ignorant. Unplug your cable, dish, or converter box from your TV. That static, that fuzz is PROOF of the Big Bang. That's background radiation (partly anyway) from the Big Bang itself. This radioactive background radiation has been seen and rigorously charted. Most people don't recognize that snowy TV for what it is, but that's what it is...oddly enough

whitefox998 Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - wagegoodwarefare, That's it!? I'm disappointed. :[ For one, you didn't even cover the only question I had for you which was on evolution. Secondly, now you are saying that the big bang DID happen, only you are tweaking it for your dogma, not very scientific. And by the way the formation of the universe took a lot longer than a day. What does communism have to do with this discussion? And what are these "transcendent laws" that YOU say I believe in?

whitefox998 Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - "...Classic evolitionist tactic..." -wagegoodwarefare Once again, sweeping generalizations and paranioa are not the way to win an arguement. Please, wagegoodwarefare, if you would be so kind, tell us what an 'evolitionist' is, as you are the only one who knows.

whitefox998 Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - "The big band..." The Flobots, of course. "Laws of science..." You mean the laws of physics. "The big bang is a cop out." No, a theory with EVIDENCE is not, saying a space daddy 'poofed' it into being is. "The reality is your in an uphill battle with you own commen sence." Ditto.

pilgrimpater Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - In responding to wagegoodwarefare (name says it all) i omitted to add my critique of the mighty Stein. "The holocaust would never have happened without Darwinism." WRONG and DELIBERATE LIES. Hitler was a Christian and so was his nation. You don't bury your dead with a christian ceremony if you are not a christian. Scour Darwin's works if you like but you will not find any suppor6t of genocide. The Spanish Inquisition, burning of heretics, murdering muslim prisoners etc all predate Darwin

pilgrimpater Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - Rebuttal of the Fraud Stein-Part 2 "Evolution does not explain how life started, Gravity, Thermodynamics, the "Physics of the Laws of Motion" (as he ignorantly refers to it)" CORRECT but only by accident. Evolution (the origin of species), never has and never will explain these things. There are plenty of things that do of course but not evolution. Evolution explains the Origin of Species. My goodness this bloke is such an ignoramus as is the host for giving Stein the time of day.

pilgrimpater Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - Rebuttal of the Fraud Stein - Part 3. "A new species has never been observed to change into another" Strawmanism at it's best. Whether you believe in evolution or not you will agree that any speciation that takes millions of years is non observable and every species on earth today is a transitional. I know creationists hate selective breeding examples but if a pack of daschunds and a pack of dobermans wer discovered on differnt sides of the world, they would be classed as different species.

pilgrimpater Says:

Aug 21, 2008 - Rebuttal of the Fraud Stein - Part 4 "Expelled no intelligence allowed". Nothing wrong with that. No one is trying to gag Creatioinists and IDers but they have no place within science classes until they produce their own science and not the fabricated New Earth version. Then they will be welcomed into the fold. Don't hold you breath though. "Stein asks questions except the biggest of all. Where did god come from?" You do not need god for morals (as we see). You need your own community.